Telephone Messages: Evidences of Harvesting Organs from Live Falun Gong Practitioners in China

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Telephon Message 1

Call time: March 15, 2006

A: Investigator  B: Doctor (Director Song Wenli 13920128990)

City: Tianjin (Tianjin No. 1 Central Hospital, also called the Orient Organ Transplant Center)

Telephone company record:

A: Hi. Is this Tianjin first central hospital¡¯s Director Song?

B: Yes, please speak.

A: ¡­His doctor told him that the source of the kidney is very good as [the organ supplier] practiced qigong. (asked: ¡°What type of qigong?¡±) Falun Gong, because people who practice Falun Gong have good health¡­[interrupted] 

B: Of course. We have a similar situation here. We also have these so-called supplier bodies that are still breathing or still have a heartbeat. We also have them, of course. Um, we might have some of this type. So far this year, we¡¯ve probably had more than ten kidneys of this kind ¡­

Telephone Message 2

Call time: March 16, 2006

A: Investigator  B: Hospital  C: Doctor

City: Shanghai (Zhongshan Hospital affiliated with Fudan University in Shanghai)

Telephone company record:

Date/Time                          Phone Number             Length of Call(minutes)

03/16/2006 03:42:34         011862164041990          17

A: Hello. Is this the Zhongshan Hospital?

B: Yes, transplant ward.

A: Is this the Liver Transplant Center?

B: Yes. How may I help you?

A: I want to have a consultation of my illness

B: Please wait. I will get you a doctor.

C: Hello.

A: Hi. Are you a doctor? Can you do transplant surgery?

C: Yes, we can.

A: How long do I have to wait?

C: About a week after you come.

A: Are there any organs from Falun Gong practitioners? I heard that this kind is generally very good¡­

C: What we have here is all this type.

A: Oh, the good ones all come from Falun Gong practitioners and they are fresh, usually within how many hours?

C: It should be OK within 24 hours, but we generally control it within 10 hours.

A: Could you tell me who should I contact with about it?

C: You need to talk to the court system.

A: Do you get them from other area? Or you have them locally?

C: We have both.

A: I see. So you have both out of town and local supplies.

C: Yes.

Telephone Message 3

Call time: March 16, 2006

A: Investigator  B: Hospital  C: Doctor 

City: Qianfoshan, Shandong Province(Qianfoshan Liver Transplant Center in Shandong Province)

Telephone company record:

Date/Time                          Phone Number             Length of Call(minutes)

03/16/2006 02:42:37         0118653182968900         16

B: Hello. 

A: Hello. Is this the ward of Shandong Qianfoshan Liver Transplant Center?

B: Yes.

A: I¡¯d like to have a consultation¡­

B: Please wait. I¡¯ll get a doctor for you.

A: OK.

C: Hello.

A: Hi. I¡¯d like to ask a few questions. How long you have performed liver transplants? Do you¡­

C: We¡¯ve started since 2002.

A: From 2002 to present?

C: More than four years.

A: As for the liver supplies, usually how long do you keep them?

C: There is a rule of 12 hours. So far we haven¡¯t exceeded 12 hours. The ones we have are all pre-checked.

A: I heard that some livers come from Falun Gong practitioners. So I want to know if you have this type or not?

C: Um. You just need to come.

A: So you mean you have this type?

C: Well, let me tell you, you just come over¡­er¡­we will sure to get more this type in April and the number of those suppliers is gradually increasing now.

A: Why will there be more in April?

C: I cannot tell you that because it involves... it doesn¡¯t mean¡­Anyway, there is no need to explain this to you. This question can¡¯t be answered.

Telephone Message 4

Call time: March 16, 2006

A: Investigator  B: Hospital  C: Doctor  Dai 

City: Shanghai (The Affiliated Hospital of Jiaotong University in Shanghai)

Telephone company record:

Date/Time                          Phone Number             Length of Call(minutes)

03/16/2006 02:19:39         011862163240090          15

B: Greetings. This is the No. 1 Adjunct Hospital of Shanghai Jiaotong University.

A: Hello. May I have your number of liver transplant center?

B: Please wait while we are connecting you¡­

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C: Let me tell you, it should be OK to have liver transplant in your case.

A: I just want to know how long we have to wait.

C: We have supplies everyday. Today for example, we are performing transplant surgery.

A: Well, I mean not just a fresh one. We need one from live human body¡­

C: Sure, the organs we use are all from live persons.

A: What?

C: They are all live organs! Ours are the best.

A: Then I want to know how long you have been in operation. I want to find out your skill level.

C: We¡¯ve done this for 5-6 years. We have performed such kind of operation for 5-6 years already.

A: Then how many do you do per month?

C: We have done 400 to 500 cases.

A: What? 400 - 500?

C: Yes, that¡¯s right.

A: So you do 400 to 500 transplants every year?

C: No. This year we just started after the Chinese New Year, but so far we¡¯ve done more than 10 cases, 20 to 30 cases already.  Each year we did about 100 to 200 transplants.

A: All these organs, they must come from healthy persons. We need the healthy one.

C: I¡¯ll make sure that you¡¯re satisfied after you come.

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A: I heard some come from those who practice qigong. They are very healthy.

C: Yes, we have this type, but I cannot explain to you clearly over the phone.

A: If you could find me one, I will come right away.

C: Of course. Just come over!

A: Oh, you could. Then how do I find you? What¡¯s your last name? I will look for you.

C: I¡¯m Doctor Dai.

A: Which Dai?

C: The ¡®Dai¡¯ as in ¡®dai mao¡¯ (=wear a hat).

Telephone Message 5

Call time: April 2, 2006

A: Investigator  B: Hospital Staff

City: Wuhan, Hubei Province (No. 2 Affiliated Hospital of Hubei Province Medical University)

Tel No.: 0118627-67813104 ext. 2960 or 2961

Telephone company record:

A: Hi. Is this the No.2 Affiliated Hospital of Hubei Province Medical University?

B: Yes.

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A: What about kidney sources from prisoners who practice Falun Gong at your place?
B: I would say not bad. Maybe you can ask the General Hospital of Army¡­the General Hospital of Guangzhou Military Zone

A: Hold on for a second¡­, General Hospital of Guangzhou Military Zone ¡­

B: It is also called the Wuhan General Hospital. We share with each other.

Telephone Message 6

Call time: March 30, 2006

A: Investigator  B: Hospital Staff 

City: Wuhan (Tongji Hospital in Wuhan City)

Tel No.: 0118627-83662688 ext. Kidney Transplant Department (or Urological Surgery Department)

Telephone company record:

A: Hello. Is it the Wuhan Tongji Hospital?

B: Yes, it is.

A: Are you the Urological Surgery Department? We need to have kidney transplant.

B: Yes, this is the Kidney Transplant Department.

A: When did you start the large volume kidney transplantation?

B: We are the earliest place. We started a long time ago.

A: How many operations do you do each year?

B: Our hospital is the place where largest amount of transplants have been done. In the whole Hubei Province area, our department is the most productive one. We¡¯ve done a lot because we have ample organ supplies.

A: From a patient¡¯s perspective, live kidney source is preferred. So we are looking for live organ transplantation from prisoners, for example, from those who practice Falun Gong. Is it possible?

B: Sure, it¡¯s not a problem.

A: So do you get enough supplies of live organs from prisoners such as those who practice Falun Gong?

B: Yes, sure, no problem. When you are ready, you can come over directly and we will discuss it in detail.